when the group is no more the world is transformed

"(...as if anybody really had that kind of power) "

Yeah, just beginning to understand this *IS* the power.

hilarious thread... haha.

interesting question, 'was Gurdjieff a lightworker'

wow, haha. certainly his missionin life was for the evolution of mankind and thus the raising of the conscious frequency of planet earth and our common humanity.. but his method was not naively thinking that all one had to do was get more light and be more light as he had an awareness that doing this was actually escaping from the real work that human beings here came to do.

which is why G changed my life so much, because although i could not doubt that doing certain things that would bring more light and a higher frequency into my field were wrong, as many people around me were doing and living and relying on, i nonetheless always had this deep nagging concern that this was not so good in the long run and that it was a sort of escaping something and that if relied on to heavily it would cause massive damage to the human system by overstressing the nervous system, the adrenal glands, and distancing oneself from their innate ground of being and the rawness of density and our weaknesses that really registers the life of what makes us human. thus... most light workers are empty and shallow people because they mistake the mental enlightenment for the end of the journey, think that wholeness and completion is a short step away and end up becoming cardboard copies of human beings...

of course this realisation made me very grumpy for a while because i went through a period of having to face up to all my shortcomings that i had escaped on a cosmic fairy ride which i realised later waslargely self delusion, and sometimes this still continues.

but i guess, actually the real crux of the matter is, expansion and light (jupiter) is actually ok if you have the compression and responsibility (saturn) to balance it. too much jupiter makes you a fluffy idiot and ineffective space cadet, but too much saturn makes you a boring, conservative, lifeless drone. find how each force can live simultaneously and anything is possible

Gurdjieff was a Mystic & Guru and was a awakened person with his own style/system as all other Gurus were & are.
Each mystic act/work in particular and different ways and this should be as all individuals are different and need different methods for their inner progress.That's why one need a GURU according to his/her nature.
OM